My Shopping Addiction – Jannae / Anna

– OH, MY GOD, TIGER PRINT

IF I DON'T TAKE THEM NOW, I'LL DREAM ABOUT THEM – WHEN I'M GOING SHOPPING, IT'S JUST A ONE-WAY TRAIN I DON'T THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE – IT'S 50% OFF – I GOTTA GET THAT

– I LOVE HOW YOU ASK THE PRICE OF NOTHING YOU JUST GRAB – IT'S SO PRETTY – YOU LOOK COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MY SHOPPING AND SPENDING HAVE LED TO MY FINANCIAL PROBLEMS

I CAN BE HOMELESS IN STYLE NOW I'M GETTING EVICTED I COULD BUY LIKE TWO OF THEM – NO! I'M VERY CONCERNED SHE'S GONNA LOSE EVERYTHING – MY SHOPPING ADDICTION IS DRIVING A WEDGE BETWEEN ME AND MY FAMILY

I DON'T SAY I HAVE A PROBLEM– – YOU DON'T THINK THIS IS A PROBLEM? – YOU HAVE TO GET YOUR SHOPPING UNDER CONTROL OR ELSE YOU'RE GONNA BE OUT ON THE STREETS – ARE YOU KIDDING ME? [laughs] – AND I THINK YOU NEED TO LEARN HOW TO DO THAT – HE WANTS ME TO RETURN THE CLOTHES I JUST BOUGHT NO – HOW DO YOU CHOOSE TO PROCEED HERE? – I DIDN'T AGREE TO THIS

NO, NO, NO, NO, NO NO! TIME TEN! – THIS IS NOT FAIR I SEE THESE PRETTY THINGS, AND I CAN'T HAVE THEM [sobbing] [frantic music] ♪ ♪ – OH, I HOPE THEY HAVE GOOD SALES [both laughing] – MY NAME IS ANNA

I LOVE TO SHOP – FOR SHOES? – YES – AND WHEN I HAVE NICE CLOTHES AND THINGS THAT MAKE ME LOOK LIKE A PRINCESS, I FEEL REALLY SPECIAL I LOVE CENTURY 21 FIND SOME GOOD SALES

STILETTOS SHINY OOH YES! – MY NAME IS JESS AND I'VE KNOWN ANNA FOR ABOUT TEN YEARS – OH, MY GOSH! – BEIGE AND SPIKY– THAT DOESN'T EVEN GO TOGETHER

– [laughs] – SHE LIKES TO GO SHOPPING A LOT LEAVE THOSE HERE WE'LL COME BACK AND GET THEM – NO, WHAT? LEAVE THEM HERE YOU'RE CRAZY

SOMEBODY ELSE IS GONNA TAKE THESE SHOES – WHATEVER – IF I DON'T TAKE THEM NOW, I'LL DREAM ABOUT THEM THE MOMENT I SEE IT, IF I KNOW I'M IN LOVE WITH IT, I HAVE TO GET IT OH, MY GOD, ARE YOU KIDDING ME? TIGER-PRINT PANTS

– WHEN SHE GETS THAT LOOK IN HER EYE, IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHE HAS TO HAVE AND HERE IT IS, THE SIXTH, AND SHE STILL HAS YET TO PAY HER RENT AND SHE'S SPENDING ALL THIS MONEY – OH, MY GOD, ALL THESE JEANS ARE HALF OFF, THOUGH I COULD BUY, LIKE, TWO OF THEM AH-HA! – NO, WHAT IN HERE DO YOU ABSOLUTELY– AND DON'T SAY EVERYTHING– NEED TO GET? AND WHILE YOU'RE MAKING THAT DECISION, DID YOU PAY YOUR RENT THIS MONTH? – MY SHOPPING AND SPENDING HAVE LED TO MY FINANCIAL PROBLEMS, AND NOW I'M GETTING EVICTED

I CAN BE HOMELESS IN STYLE [both laughing] – I'M VERY CONCERNED FOR ANNA BECAUSE I KNOW IF SHE GETS KICKED OUT OF HER APARTMENT, THERE'S REALLY NOWHERE ELSE SHE CAN GO SHE'S GONNA LOSE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE YOUR RENT TO THINK ABOUT, MISSY – WHATEVER

I'LL FIGURE OUT HOW TO PAY MY RENT IT'S STILL EARLY THE THREAT OF EVICTION HAS NOT CHANGED MY SHOPPING – MY NAME IS DR DAVID TOLIN

I'M A LICENSED CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST, AND FOR OVER 15 YEARS I'VE HELPED HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WITH DISORDERS, INCLUDING SHOPAHOLICS ANNA'S CASE FILE INDICATES THAT HER FAMILY CAME FROM THE UKRAINE AND SHE CAME FROM HUMBLE BEGINNINGS WHICH MADE HER FEEL LIKE AN OUTSIDER WHEN SHE WAS GROWING UP AS A RESULT, SHE DEVELOPED THIS PATTERN OF BUYING EXPENSIVE THINGS THAT SHE REALLY COULDN'T AFFORD IN ORDER TO FEEL SPECIAL, REGARDLESS OF THE CONSEQUENCES ANNA CHOOSES TO SHOP INSTEAD OF PAYING RENT

NOW SHE'S FACING EVICTION, AND I NEED TO HELP ANNA CURB HER SHOPPING HABITS OR SHE'S GONNA BE THROWN OUT OF HER APARTMENT AND LEFT WITHOUT A PLACE TO LIVE – ARE YOU EXCITED? COME ON, CIARA! WHAT'S BETTER THAN SHOPPING? WHEN I'M GOING SHOPPING, IT'S JUST A ONE-WAY TRAIN BECAUSE I DON'T THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE OH, MY GOD! LOOK! VINTAGE – [gasp] – [indistinct] I LOVE THIS

THEN MY ADRENALIN STARTS TO PUMP DON'T YOU LOVE IT? YOU LOVE IT? LOVE THIS I LOVE THIS IT'S LIKE BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM LIKE I SEE EVERYTHING I LIKE

I GOT TO GET THAT I GOT TO GET THAT I WANNA TRY THAT ON OH, CIARA, I FOUND SOMETHING THAT SHIRT

– WHEN I FIRST MET JENNAE BACK IN HIGH SCHOOL, I WAS LIKE, "OH, MY GOD WHO IS THIS GIRL WITH THESE CRAZY CLOTHES ON?" SO SHE'S VERY UNIQUE, AND WHEN SHE PUTS THINGS TOGETHER– AND IT'S VERY EASY FOR HER IT REALLY COMES NATURAL – OKAY, YOU HAVE LIKE 50 MILLION PIECES, THOUGH MY STYLE IS BOMBASTIC, BLUE BONNET, CRAZY VINTAGE, OLD SCHOOL SWAG

– OH, YEAH, THAT'S THE ONE – EVERYONE GIVES ME A HARD TIME ABOUT MY STYLE BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME THAT I WEAR THINGS THAT OTHER PEOPLE DON'T HAVE BECAUSE IT SHOWS THAT I'M ME, THAT I'M DIFFERENT FROM EVERYBODY ELSE AND I'M OKAY WITH IT – OKAY YOUR TOTAL'S $2,16521

– OKAY, COOL – MY SHOPPING ADDICTION IS DRIVING A WEDGE BETWEEN ME AND FAMILY NOW IT'S JUST MORE ARGUMENTS BETWEEN US – MY NAME IS DR RAMANI DURVASULA, AND I'M A LICENSED CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST

IN MY TEN YEARS OF PRACTICE, I'VE TREATED HUNDREDS OF PATIENTS WITH ADDICTIVE DISORDERS, INCLUDING SHOPAHOLICS AFTER REVIEWING THE CASE FILE ON JENNAE, IT'S APPARENT THAT HER SHOPPING PROBLEM BEGAN SHORTLY AFTER SHE DROPPED OUT OF COLLEGE HER FAMILY WANTED HER TO PURSUE A NURSING CAREER, BUT JENNAE REALIZED IT WASN'T WHAT SHE WANTED TO DO INSTEAD, SHE SPENDS ALL OF HER FREE TIME SHOPPING WITH NO DIRECTION SHE MOVED IN WITH HER AUNT AND AGREED TO PAY $400 A MONTH FOR RENT

HER INCOME AS A HOSTESS SHOULD BE ENOUGH TO COVER HER MONTHLY EXPENSES BUT FOR THREE MONTHS IN A ROW, SHE HAS CHOSEN NOT TO PAY RENT TO HER AUNT, WHO IS NOW THREATENING TO THROW JENNAE OUT OF HER HOME MY GOAL IS TO HELP JENNAE OVERCOME HER SHOPPING PROBLEM AND MEND HER STRAINED RELATIONSHIPS WITH HER FAMILY – MY APARTMENT IS REALLY SMALL MY CLOTHES DEFINITELY TAKE UP A LOT OF THE SPACE

UM, THIS IS A BOOKCASE BUT [laughs] FOR EVERYONE THAT DOESN'T LIVE IN NEW YORK, PICTURE THE SIZE OF YOUR CLOSET, THAT'S MY APARTMENT THIS SHELF ACTUALLY DIDN'T COME WITH THE APARTMENT

I HAD MY FRIEND BUILD IT FOR ME I NEED TO MAKE SURE THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM FOR MY CLOTHING TO FIT, SO I HAVE TO SACRIFICE SPACE SO THIS SKIRT– I HAVEN'T WORN IT YET, BUT USUALLY WHEN I GET HOME, I TAKE THE TAGS OFF BECAUSE EVEN IF IT DOESN'T FIT, I DON'T WANNA RETURN IT I HATE RETURNING THINGS GROWING UP WITH MY MOTHER, SHE WAS ALWAYS VERY CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT SHE SPENT HER MONEY ON

MY MOTHER ALWAYS RETURNED THE ITEMS SHE BOUGHT AND THE STORE PEOPLE WOULD BLACKLIST HER SO SHE WOULD START SENDING ME INTO THE STORES TO RETURN THINGS FOR HER AND WHEN YOU'RE THAT YOUNG, IT'S KIND OF SCARY TO GO INTO A STORE BY YOURSELF AND LIKE TRY TO RETURN SOMETHING SO I'M KIND OF LIKE, "NO, I'M NEVER RETURNING THINGS AGAIN" HI! CHECK OUT THIS NEW RESTAURANT, IT'S RIGHT UP THE BLOCK

I HAVE A LOT OF JOBS I DO EVERYTHING FROM BRAND AMBASSADOR TO HOSTING FOR A SPEED DATING COMPANY, SOMETIMES BARTENDING, COCKTAIL WAITRESSING SOMETIMES CERTAIN THINGS THAT I DO TAKE A LONG TIME TO PAY, LIKE, TWO OR THREE MONTHS IT CAN BE DIFFICULT NOT HAVING LIKE A STEADY PAYCHECK MY PARENTS CAME HERE FROM UKRAINE

AND IN THE UKRAINIAN CULTURE, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE, LIKE, HUMBLE AND IN AMERICA, IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT I DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE THINGS THAT MY OTHER CLASSMATES HAD, LIKE NICE MAKEUP AND BRAND NAME CLOTHES AND SO IT KIND OF MADE ME START THINKING, WELL, YOU KNOW, LIKE, DON'T I DESERVE NICE THINGS IN MY LIFE? – I LIVE–CAPITAL V-E– FOR TUTUS THEY'RE VERY FLUFFY AND PUFFY

THIS ONE'S JUST HOT THIS ONE HAS FLOWERS ON IT THIS IS MORE LIKE A SKIRT TUTU LONGER, SEE-THROUGH, PURPLE AND THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT IN THEIR OWN WAY

THIS IS MY FAVORITE I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING FUNNER THAN A TUTU I SEE IT, IT MAKES ME SMILE, IT MAKES ME HAPPY, AND I JUST KIND OF GOT INTO A FIXATION OF COLLECTING THEM – I HAVE WAY TOO MANY SHOES TO FIT IN ANYONE'S CLOSET I HAVE OVER 100 PAIR OF SNEAKERS

THIS WHOLE HOUSE IS LIKE MY SHOE CLOSET I LOVE COLORED DENIMS, DIFFERENT PINKS, ZEBRA, ANIMAL PRINT, AND I HAVE A LOT OF PURPLES, ACID-WASHED JEANS I FEEL LIKE A ROCK STAR WHEN I WEAR ACID-WASHED, YOU KNOW [laughs] – ONE DAY I CAME HOME, AND IT LOOKED LIKE HER CLOSET HAD EXPLODED IN MY WHOLE HOUSE MY CLOSET, THE KIDS' CLOSET, THE LIVING ROOM–IT IS A MESS

– MOMMY! – HI, GUYS – WHAT DID YOU GUYS DO TODAY? – JUST GIVE 'EM WATER – YOU DID WHAT? – WE DIDN'T–WELL, WE STOPPED BY A COUPLE OF STORES WE JUST STOPPED BY LIKE ONE – OKAY

AND DID SHE BUY ANYTHING? – THEY DON'T EVEN SAY ANYTHING AROUND YOU, THOUGH YOU GOT 'EM TRAINED – SO WHAT DID YOU GET? I WANT TO SEE WHAT'S WORTH YOU NOT HAVING SOMEWHERE TO LIVE I WANT TO SEE THIS JENNAE BASICALLY LOST HER APARTMENT, AND I TOOK HER IN

WE HAD AN AGREEMENT ABOUT $400 A MONTH FOR RENT RIGHT NOW, JENNAE OWES ME ABOUT $1,200 THAT'S WHY I'M SO FRUSTRATED LIKE, YOU COULD SPEND ALL YOUR MONEY ON THESE CLOTHES BUT YOU CAN'T THROW ME ANY MONEY FOR RENT? NOTHING? – BUT LOOK AT THIS VELOUR FEEL HOW SOFT THIS IS

– ARE YOU SERIOUS RIGHT NOW A TUTU? YOU KNOW HOW MANY OF THESE TUTUS YOU HAVE? – IT'S LONGER, AND I COULD WEAR IT UNDER A DRESS – THIS IS RIDICULOUS

I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO COME HOME SEEING YOUR [bleep] EVERYWHERE YOU, LIKE, REALLY NEED TO BE MORE RESPONSIBLE I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOU'RE 21–I WANT YOU TO REALIZE YOU HAVE A PROBLEM – I DON'T SAY I HAVE A PROBLEM

I JUST SAY– – YOU DON'T THINK THIS IS A PROBLEM? I'M SITTING ON YOUR STUFF THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM? HAVING THREE KIDS IS STRESSFUL ENOUGH I CAN'T WORRY ABOUT FEEDING AN EXTRA PERSON IF SHE DOES NOT HELP ME IN THIS HOUSE, SHE CAN'T STAY HERE NO MORE I CAN'T–I CAN'T SUPPORT HER NO MORE

– EVERY CENT THAT YOU GET, YOU GO TO THE STORE AND IT'S CUTTING OUT ON YOUR RENT, AND IT'S CUTTING OUT ON YOUR COLLEGE YOU BASICALLY HAVE TO WATCH YOUR BUDGET AND THINK ABOUT SCHOOL – OKAY! – ARE YOU GOING BACK TO SCHOOL? – I'LL GO BACK NEXT SEMESTER MY DAD AND MY AUNT ARE ALWAYS ON MY BACK ABOUT ME GOING TO SCHOOL

THEY THINK THE BEST CAREER IS IN THE HEALTH INDUSTRY BECAUSE IT'S STABLE, IT'S ALWAYS AVAILABLE SO, I THOUGHT ABOUT BEING A NURSE, BUT IT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT I LOVE AND SOMETHING THAT I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT – JENNAE, YOU HAVE TO GET A GRIP ON YOUR SPENDING ON YOUR CLOTHES – THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING – I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING I LIKE TO DO

SO, I MEAN, I'LL STOP LITTLE BY LITTLE – I THINK THAT YOU NEED TO GO COLD TURKEY – MY DAD AND MY AUNT ARE GANGING UP ON ME I'M BOUND TO LOSE A LOT OF RELATIONSHIPS WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE REALLY CLOSE TO ME IF I DON'T STOP SHOPPING – FOR REAL, JENNAE, IF YOU CAN'T GET THIS TOGETHER, LIKE, YOU GOT TO GO

– YOU HAVE TO GET YOUR SHOPPING UNDER CONTROL OR ELSE YOU'RE GOING TO BE OUT ON THE STREETS – IF YOU WANTED TO STOP SHOPPING, COULD YOU? SHE'S BUYING THINGS TO FEEL SPECIAL – OH, MY GOD – IF I SEE SOMEONE TOUCHING MY STUFF THESE ARE MINE DON'T TRY IT OR YOU WILL GET DEALT WITH – WHAT IN HERE DO YOU ABSOLUTELY NEED TO GET? AND WHILE YOU'RE MAKING THAT DECISION, DID YOU PAY YOUR RENT THIS MONTH? – THE THREAT OF EVICTION HAS NOT CHANGED MY SHOPPING [knocking on door] – HI

– HEY, THERE HI DAVID TOLIN – NICE TO MEET YOU – NICE TO MEET YOU

I'M MEETING ANNA TODAY AT HER APARTMENT– THE SAME APARTMENT SHE'S AT RISK OF GETTING KICKED OUT OFF I WANT TO FIND OUT HOW SHE GOT INTO THIS BAD SITUATION ALL RIGHT SO THIS IS THE PLACE? – YUP – OKAY

– PRETTY MUCH, I KIND OF HAVE A SHOPPING PROBLEM – A SHOPPING PROBLEM – YEAH – OKAY, WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THIS AS A LITTLE, BIG PROBLEM? – I MEAN, I GUESS, IT'S KIND OF A BIG PROBLEM BECAUSE MY FINANCES ARE PRETTY MESSED UP RIGHT NOW – MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU'RE FACING EVICTION

– YEAH, I'M IN–I'M IN COURT WITH MY LANDLORD I HAVE BEEN SHOPPING IN THE MEANTIME – SO EVEN DURING THE EVICTION PROCEEDINGS, THAT HASN'T STOPPED THE SHOPPING? – NO – OKAY – OOPS

– YOU'RE SMILING – [laughs] – I ALWAYS LIKE SMILE AND LAUGH EVEN WHEN I SHOULDN'T, WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING SERIOUS – MM-HMM

– OR SOMETHING SAD, I SMILE AND LAUGH I DON'T KNOW – CAN YOU SHOW ME AROUND AND SHOW ME WHAT YOU'VE BEEN PURCHASING? SHOES! I SEE A LOT OF SHOES – I LOVE SHOES – YEAH

– ABSOLUTELY LOVE SHOES – WHAT'S THE STORY WITH THE SHOES? – WHEN I SEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS THAT I KNOW I PROBABLY WON'T SEE AGAIN – MM-HMM

– I HAVE TO GET IT – WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU HAVE TO GET IT? – I KNOW IF I DON'T GET IT, THE NEXT DAY I'LL WAKE UP AND I'LL THINK, WHY DIDN'T I BUY IT? – DOES IT FEEL, ANNA, LIKE THIS IS OUT OF CONTROL? – I MEAN – LET ME ASK YOU THIS IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WAY

IF YOU WANTED TO STOP SHOPPING, COULD YOU? – NO – OKAY OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS, I'M GOING TO TAKE ANNA THROUGH A SERIES OF EXERCISES THAT ARE GONNA HELP HER UNDERSTAND WHY SHE SHOPS AND OPEN HER EYES TO HOW REAL THE POSSIBILITY OF EVICTION IS [knocking on door] – HELLO – HI

– HI I'M DR RAMANI – NICE TO MEET YOU – SO NICE TO MEET YOU

TODAY I'M MEETING JENNAE AT THE HOME SHE SHARES WITH HER AUNT'S FAMILY AND MY FIRST GOAL IS TO LEARN MORE ABOUT HER SHOPPING HABITS SIT WITH ME SO, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT SHOPPING? – I MEAN, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT COMES NATURAL TO ME AND MY FAMILY DOESN'T LIKE THE FACT THAT I SHOP

– HOW OFTEN DO YOU GO? – I PROBABLY SHOP LIKE FOUR OR FIVE TIMES A WEEK PROBABLY FOUR TO SIX HOURS – OKAY DO YOU EVER TELL YOURSELF NO? – IF I LOVE IT? – MM-HMM – NO

– AND WHAT IS ALL THIS STUFF AROUND YOU? – THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROOM IN THIS HOUSE FOR MY STUFF BECAUSE IT'S LIKE ME, MY AUNT, AND MY COUSINS – OKAY DO YOU PAY RENT TO LIVE HERE? – I GUESS, I'M SUPPOSED TO YEAH – YOU SAID YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO, WHICH LEADS ME TO THINK YOU'RE NOT PAYING IT

– I PAID THE FIRST MONTH BUT AFTER THAT I DIDN'T–I'M NOT– I DIDN'T PAY IT – OKAY YOU'RE STAYING HERE YOU'RE NOT PAYING YOUR RENT THE STUFF HAS OVERTAKEN THE HOUSE

THE SHOPPING HAS OVERTAKEN YOUR LIFE YOU KNOW, SO WHAT I WANT TO DO IS SEE HOW YOU SHOP I WANT TO SEE HOW ALL THIS STUFF COMES INTO YOUR LIFE OKAY? – OKAY – THE FIRST STEP IN MY WORK WITH JENNAE WILL BE TO TRY AND SHOW HER HOW SERIOUS HER SHOPPING PROBLEM IS

I'M NOT SURE SHE UNDERSTANDS PRIORITIES AND HOW MUCH HER SHOPPING PROBLEM HAS IMPACTED OTHER PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY HER AUNT – WELL, SO WHAT I HAVE IN MIND FOR TODAY IS DESIGNED TO DO A COUPLE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS FIRST EXERCISE IS CRITICAL I WANT TO OBSERVE ANNA'S EMOTIONAL RESPONSE TO SHOPPING AND UNDERSTAND WHY SHOPPING IS SO GRATIFYING THAT IT BECOMES MORE IMPORTANT TO HER THAN EVEN PAYING RENT

I'D LIKE TO GO INTO THIS STORE, ALL RIGHT? – OKAY – LET'S GO IN ALL RIGHT, GO TO IT SHOW ME WHAT YOU DO – YAY! [laughing] I'M EXCITED NOW

SALE – OKAY – [laughs] – LET'S GO – I LOVE CLEARANCE SALES OH, MY GOSH

CUTE OOH – WHAT IS IT ABOUT A SALE THAT ATTRACTS YOU? – I FEEL GOOD THAT I WAS ABLE TO GET A GOOD DEAL – SO THERE'S MAYBE A SENSE OF ACHIEVEMENT, ACCOMPLISHMENT – [laughing] – FROM FINDING A GOOD DEAL? – I THINK SO, YEAH – WHAT DOES THAT FEEL LIKE TO YOU? – MAYBE LIKE A HIGH – LIKE A HIGH? – [laughing] – ANNA'S USING SHOPPING IN ORDER TO FEEL GOOD ABOUT HERSELF, FORGET ABOUT HER PROBLEMS IN THE SHORT TERM, AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT LIKE A DRUG USER WHO GETS A HIGH YOU KNOW, THEY FEEL BETTER, BUT IT ONLY IS GONNA LAST FOR A SHORT TIME

– HOW'S IT LOOK? YEAH? IS IT ♪ AH ♪? – YEAH – OH, IT IS? – YES

– WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS ONE? – WHOA OH, MY GOSH – TELLING YOURSELF ANYTHING ABOUT BUYING IT, NOT BUYING IT? – DEFINITE – DEFINITE – YOU HAVE A BIG SMILE ON YOUR FACE

YOU LOOK HAPPY – I'M GETTING IT – FINDING THE RIGHT DRESS JUST LIGHTENS UP YOUR MOOD LIKE NOBODY'S BUSINESS – [giggling] – ALL RIGHT YOU GOT ALL YOUR STUFF? – YES

– SO, ANNA, ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE AT HOME? – MM-MM – WHAT ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT? – IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR ME TO LOOK GOOD – MM-HMM – YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN I GO OUT IF I'M WEARING LIKE ONE OF THESE DRESSES AND I'M TREATED LIKE THE BEST OF THE BEST

– LIKE YOU'RE ROYALTY? – YEAH – HOW DOES IT MAKE YOU FEEL ABOUT YOURSELF? – IT MAKES ME FEEL SPECIAL – DO YOU NEED THOSE THINGS IN ORDER TO FEEL SPECIAL? – I DON'T KNOW – DON'T KNOW? – [crying] – IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING'S HIT A NERVE – I GUESS SO

– I WAS ASKING YOU ABOUT FEELING SPECIAL – I GUESS, SOMETIMES, I DON'T REALLY FEEL SPECIAL – HMM AND THEN DOES BUYING THESE KINDS OF THINGS SOMETIMES HELP WITH THAT? – YEAH – ANNA'S LOW SENSE OF SELF-WORTH COMES FROM HER HUMBLE BEGINNINGS, NOT FEELING LIKE SHE FITS IN, SO SHE'S GOTTEN INTO THE HABIT OF BUYING THINGS IN ORDER TO MAKE HERSELF FEEL SPECIAL

BUT AS AN ADULT, SHE HAS TO HAVE A FEELING OF SELF-WORTH WITHOUT MATERIAL THINGS – I FEEL SILLY NOW – SILLY, WHY? WHAT'S SILLY? – CLOTHING SHOULDN'T MAKE ME FEEL SPECIAL IT'S JUST CLOTHING – IS THERE SOME REASON FOR YOU TO BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE NOT SPECIAL? – WHY AM I SPECIAL? LIKE WHY WOULD I BE SPECIAL? – YOU'RE HAVING A HARD TIME THINKING OF SOMETHING

AND WHEN YOU LOOK ON THIS RACK, YOU SEE SOMETHING SPECIAL THERE – [laughs] YEAH – AND SO YOU THINK, "IF I CAN HAVE THAT, THEN I'LL BE SPECIAL?" – YEAH, OKAY I GET IT – HI

– HI HOW ARE YOU? I'VE DESIGNED A SERIES OF EXERCISES FOR JENNAE THAT ARE DESIGNED TO HELP HER UNDERSTAND HER SHOPPING PROBLEM THE FIRST EXERCISE IS FOCUSED ON RESISTING TEMPTATION AND UNDERSTANDING PRIORITIES I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU $400 YOU CAN DO WITH THIS AS YOU WISH

IT'S NO COINCIDENCE THAT $400 IS EXACTLY WHAT SHE OWES HER AUNT CHARDONA FOR RENT IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT SHE DECIDES TO DO WHEN SHE'S SURROUNDED BY EVERYTHING THAT SHE LOVES TO SHOP FOR WE COULD TAKE A WALK AROUND HERE AND – A WALK? I'LL GET SOMETHING RIGHT HERE – ALL RIGHT SO WALK ME THROUGH – BEAUTIFUL OOH! THIS

THIS SEQUINS PURSE OH, MY GOD, THIS– I WANT THAT IN ALL THREE COLORS COME ON, RIGHT THIS WAY OH, MY GOD – DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT ALREADY LOOKS LIKE THAT, OR DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT ALREADY? OH, YOU'RE ALREADY AHEAD OF ME? – OOH, WELL, THIS IS CUTE

OH, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA LET'S SEE OH, MY GOSH – HOW DO YOU FEEL PHYSICALLY RIGHT NOW? – I FEEL FULL OF ENERGY, EXHILARATED, HAPPY, JUST– OH, MY GOD, LOOK AT THAT DRESS ON THE WALL THAT'S GIVING ME A TINGLY FEELING RIGHT NOW

– YOU HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN ABLE TO FINISH A SENTENCE SINCE WE GOT HERE YOU'RE JUST LIKE "RAHR" JUST LIKE ALL OVER THE PLACE – REALLY? – YEAH, YOU'RE LIKE IN THIS OTHER SPACE RIGHT NOW – [laughs] – YOU'RE IN THE ZONE

– YOU'RE DISTRACTING ME – WATCHING JENNAE, IT FELT LIKE BEING WITH SOMEONE WHO IS MANIC SHE COULDN'T PAY ATTENTION SHE WAS RACING ALL OVER THE PLACE IT ALMOST FELT LIKE WATCHING SOMEBODY WHO IS ON A BINGE

– DID YOU SEE OUR TUTUS? HAVE YOU SEEN THOSE? – WHERE? – THEY'RE ALL UP THROUGH HERE – OKAY – IT'S 50% OFF – NO WAY! – LOOK AT OUR NEW ONES THAT WE JUST GOT IT IN ALL THIS WONDERFUL COLORS

– [gasps] – [laughs] – I GOT TO GET THAT RED, GREEN–BLUE TOO OH, MY GOSH YOU HAVE THOSE–I HAVE– I CANNOT FINISH A WORD I'M JUST GONNA DO A QUICK GO-AROUND

– SO, IT'S LIKE A LAST SWEEP YOU DO – OOH, THESE ARE CUTE THESE ARE SO HOT I'M HOT TOUCHING THEM – THIS IS CUTE

– SO, IF I SEE SOMEONE TOUCHING MY STUFF– THESE ARE MINE – OH, REALLY? – YEAH – OH, I'M SORRY – LOOK, MY GIRL DON'T TRY IT OR YOU WILL GET DEALT WITH

THANKS – I WANNA POUNCE 'EM AND I WANNA LET THEM KNOW, "AH, BACK, BACK IT'S NOT YOURS IT WON'T BE YOURS, IT'S MINE SORRY, GOT TO GO

" BUT I'M NOT GHETTO I JUST GET A LITTLE CRAZY – WHAT'S GOING ON? YOU'RE ATTACHED TO IT BEFORE YOU EVEN GET IT OUT OF THE STORE – I'M NOT ATTACH TO IT BUT IF I SAY I'M GONNA GET IT– I GET EXCITED ABOUT THINGS LIKE THIS – MM-HMM

JENNAE IS UPSET WITH THE THREAT OF ANYONE GETTING IN THE WAY OF WHAT SHE WANTS TO PURCHASE – IF IT'S MINE – RIGHT

– THEN IT'S MINE – OKAY, GOT IT – IT'S JUST THE DISRESPECT FACTOR OF IT – SHE'S CERTAINLY NOT GONNA LIKE WHAT I'VE PLANNED FOR HER NEXT – YOU'RE AT $245

62 – HERE YOU GO – WHEW, THIS FEELS GOOD, YEAH WE GOT A LOT OF STUFF, THOUGH – HERE YOU GO

THANKS I'LL TAKE THAT I GOT IT – YOU WANT IT? – I'LL HELP YOU YEAH, I'LL CARRY IT FOR YOU

WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE TAKING THIS, SO I'M GONNA GIVE THAT BACK TO YOU TAKE THAT MONEY BACK AND, UH – WHY? ARE YOU SERIOUS? – YOU HAVE A LOT OF STUFF

I THINK, WE'VE ESTABLISHED THAT, YEAH? – I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH MY CLOTHES BUT I KNOW THEY BETTER NOT BE GONE OR ELSE I WILL CUT A BITCH – AH, HERE WE ARE – [laughs] WHY ARE WE BACK AT THE SAME STORE? – BECAUSE YOU NEVER RETURN ANYTHING – HE WANTS ME TO RETURN THE CLOTHES I JUST BOUGHT NO

– THANKS I'LL TAKE THAT I GOT IT – YOU WANT IT? – I'LL HELP YOU YEAH, I'LL CARRY IT FOR YOU

UMWE'RE NOT GOING TO BE TAKING THIS SO I'M GONNA GIVE THAT BACK TO YOU

TAKE THAT MONEY BACK AND – WHY? ARE YOU SERIOUS? – HOW DO YOU FEEL RIGHT NOW? – I'M UPSET I'M ANGRY

"D," ALL THE ABOVE, LIKE, I FEEL LIKE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU TRIED IT WITH ME LIKE, YOU KNEW– LIKE, YOU WEREN'T BEING HONEST I'M IN HERE, I'M SHOPPING I GOT THINGS THAT I LIKED FOR WHAT? FOR ME NOT EVEN TO GET IT

IT'S JUST A WASTE OF TIME I DIDN'T COME IN HERE TO LIKE LOOKY-LOO I'M NOT A WINDOW SHOPPER – WHY NOT? – WHY NOT? WHAT'S THE FUN IN THAT? – LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME OTHER THINGS THAT YOU COULD HAVE DONE WITH THAT $400 – I DON'T KNOW

– YOU CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE YOU COULD HAVE DONE WITH THAT $400? $400 TO ME IS A PRETTY MEANINGFUL NUMBER DID IT CROSS YOUR MIND ONCE IT COULD PAY THE RENT? – NO, I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT IT'S LIKE I HAD A BRAIN THEN I'M LIKE, "WHOA YOU'RE RIGHT" [laughs] LIKE I SHOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE, "OH, $400 COOL I NEED TO PAY MY RENT" BUT I WAS LIKE, "400? WHAT DO I NEED AND WANT AND HAVE TO HAVE AND CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT?" THAT TUTU RIGHT THERE IN THE RIGHT CORNER – WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THIS ABOUT IS YOU THINKING ABOUT YOUR SHOPPING, NOT JUST HOW IT AFFECTS YOU BUT ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE AROUND YOU

TODAY WAS A REALLY IMPORTANT EXERCISE JENNAE THIS WAS ABOUT REFLECTING ON WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO NOT WALK OUT OF THAT STORE WITH ANYTHING WE'RE GOING TO LEARN TOGETHER IS THAT THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT'LL BE MORE IMPORTANT, MORE CONSISTENT, AND GIVE YOU WAY MORE REWARD THAN A BAG FULL OF TUTUS THIS FIRST EXERCISE WAS A SUCCESS BECAUSE JENNAE WAS ABLE TO SEE HOW SHOPPING BLINDS HER FROM HER RESPONSIBILITIES AND NOT JUST HER RESPONSIBILITIES TO HER FAMILY SHE'S ALSO ABLE TO SEE HOW SHOPPING IS BEGINNING TO BLIND HER FROM THE FUTURE THAT SHE COULD HAVE

– IS THERE SOME REASON FOR YOU TO BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE NOT SPECIAL? – WHY AM I SPECIAL? LIKE, WHY WOULD I BE SPECIAL? – YOU'RE HAVING A HARD TIME THINKING OF SOMETHING? – I KIND OF REALIZED THAT I DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH SELF-ESTEEM OR CONFIDENCE, AND IT'S SCARY – OKAY READY? – HERE WE GO – ALL RIGHT – ALL RIGHT

LET'S TOTAL UP, FIGURE OUT THE DAMAGE – ALL RIGHT – WE'RE AT $25360 – [laughs] – WHAT DO YOU THINK? – NOW, I FEEL GREAT

– ALL RIGHT WELL, HOW WAS THAT FOR YOU? WHAT DID THAT FEEL LIKE? – UM, IT WAS GOOD – YEAH? BECAUSE THIS IS PART OF HOW YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT YOURSELF – OH, WOW, THAT DOESN'T SOUND SO GREAT – HMM, NEXT THING WE'RE GOING TO DO, I WANT YOU TO LEARN SOMETHING

AH, HERE WE ARE – [laughs] WAIT, WHY ARE WE BACK AT THE SAME STORE? – BECAUSE YOU NEVER RETURN ANYTHING – OH [laughs] – ANNA NEVER RETURNS THE ITEMS SHE PURCHASES SO NOW, I'M CHALLENGING HER TO DO SOMETHING THAT SHE'S NEVER DONE BEFORE

– ARE YOU KIDDING ME? [laughs] – I THINK YOU NEED TO LEARN HOW TO DO THAT – HE WANTS ME TO RETURN THE CLOTHES I JUST BOUGHT NO [laughs] NO – SHALL WE? – UGH! – AND I CAN SEE THAT SHE'S STRUGGLING

SHE STARTS GETTING INTO THIS NERVOUS LAUGHTER SHE LOOKS VERY UNCOMFORTABLE – [laughs] ALL RIGHT – AFTER YOU ANNA NEVER RETURNS ANYTHING TO THE STORE BECAUSE IT BRINGS BACK BAD MEMORIES

HER MOTHER WOULD BUY THINGS AND MAKE ANNA RETURN THEM BECAUSE THE FAMILY COULDN'T AFFORD THEM – [laughs] – ANNA IS FACING EVICTION SHE CAN'T GO ON THIS WAY SHE'S GOT TO CHANGE HER BEHAVIOR – [laughs] OH, MY GOSH

[laughs] THIS IS SO EMBARRASSING – WHAT'S EMBARRASSING? – THAT WE'RE BACK HERE I FEEL STUPID – BECAUSE, FOR YOU, PURCHASING IS AN ACHIEVEMENT AND RETURNING IS STUPID – [laughs] – CAN YOU ALSO SEE THROUGH THAT AND RECOGNIZE SOME OF THAT'S YOUR SHOPPING ADDICTION TALKING? – I GUESS SO

[laughs] – SO, WE DON'T NEED TO LISTEN TO THAT ANYMORE, RIGHT? – I GUESS NOT – ALL RIGHT MAYBE OUR SELF-ESTEEM COULD BE ABOUT MORE THAN THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH LOW SELF-ESTEEM WILL RESORT TO SOME KIND OF IMPULSIVE BEHAVIOR LIKE SHOPPING BECAUSE IT GIVES THEM A QUICK FIX IT MAKES THEM FEEL BETTER ABOUT THEMSELVES IN THE MOMENT EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT MAKE THEM FEEL WORSE ABOUT THEMSELVES LATER ON

– SO, I WAS FORCED TO COME BACK HERE [laughs] UM, TO RETURN EVERYTHING – OKAY

ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO RETURN EVERYTHING? – OKAY, OKAY, OKAY, OKAY [laughs] JUST TAKE IT PLEASE I DON'T WANT ANY OF THIS [laughs] – ARE YOU SURE? – I'M SURE

– OKAY – [laughs] – RIGHT THIS IS A STEP FORWARD FOR ANNA – $284 – SHE DID SOMETHING THAT SHE'S BEEN UNABLE TO DO AND SHE WAS ABLE TO FEEL GOOD ABOUT HERSELF WITHOUT THE QUICK FIX OF A PURCHASE

THANK YOU VERY MUCH – YOU'RE WELCOME – SHALL WE? – [laughs] – ALL RIGHT – YESTERDAY, JENNAE WAS ANGRY AND UPSET WHEN I DIDN'T LET HER BUY THE ITEMS THAT SHE HAD SELECTED ULTIMATELY, SHE WAS ABLE TO WALK OUT OF THE STORE EMPTY-HANDED

TODAY, I WANNA BUILD ON THAT MOMENTUM JENNAE, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO NOW IS WE'RE GONNA TAKE ALL THIS STUFF – OKAY

– THAT YOU HAVE SPREAD ALL OVER THIS HOUSE AND WE'RE GONNA BRING IT ALL INTO THIS ROOM – OKAY – SO, WE CAN SEE HOW MUCH STUFF YOU HAVE

ARE YOU READY TO ACTUALLY BRING ALL OF THE STUFF IN HERE? – YES – OKAY? START – YOU DON'T HAVE THIS MANY CLOTHES? – NO – REALLY? – OKAY, JENNAE YOU HAVE A LOT OF STUFF

I THINK WE'VE ESTABLISHED THAT, YEAH? – WHEN I SAW IT FOR MYSELF HOW MUCH THINGS I ACTUALLY HAD, I WAS SHOCKED – JENNAE, I KNOW YOU ARE WONDERING WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN YOU WILL SEE ALL OF THIS AGAIN, BUT YOU NEED TO TRUST ME TO GET IT OUT OF HERE SO WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT STEP ARE YOU WITH ME? – YEAH I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE REST OF MY CLOTHES, BUT I KNOW THEY BETTER NOT BE GONE

THIS IS ALL I KNOW, OR ELSE I WILL CUT A BITCH – WHAT ARE YOU THINKING RIGHT NOW? – I'M THINKING NO, NO, NO, NO, NO NO TIMES TEN! YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T AGREE TO THIS – I WANNA TAKE IT UP A STEP – OH, MY GOD

I JUST WANNA HAVE NICE THINGS – OH, MY GOD YOU GOT SO MANY GOOD THINGS I GET PARKING TICKETS SO MUCH BECAUSE I'M SHOPPING IT'S A LOADING ZONE! [horn honking] YOU NEVER– YOU NEVER TOLD ME! IT JUST RUINED MY WHOLE DAY BUT SOMETIMES, IF IT'S LIKE A $53 TICKET, I'M LIKE, "OKAY, WELL, I SAVED OVER A $100 TODAY SO I GUESS THAT'S NOT TOO BAD

" – STOP SPEEDING WHAT THE [bleep]? – I DON'T– I JUST CAN'T HELP IT MY ADRENALINE IS UP RIGHT NOW I'M JUST GOT DONE SHOPPING I'M EXCITED

– EARLIER THIS WEEK WE GATHERED ALL OF THE CLOTHES THAT JENNAE OWNS INTO ONE MASSIVE PILE FOR THE NEXT EXERCISE, I HAVE ARRANGED TO HAVE THE BULK OF JENNAE'S CLOTHING BROUGHT TO CROSSROADS WHERE THEY BUY USED CLOTHING JENNAE DOESN'T KNOW HER CLOTHES ARE HERE, BUT SHE NEEDS THE MONEY IN ORDER TO PAY HER AUNT THE RENT THAT SHE OWES HER I'VE CREATED AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, BUT IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A HUGE SACRIFICE COME ON IN

– MY CLOTHES ARE ALL OVER THE COUNTER I ALREADY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON SHE'S GONNA TRY TO MAKE ME SELL THEM I'M LIKE NO NO, NO, NO, NO, NO

IT'S NOT–NO NO TIMES TEN THAT MANY NOES – YOU KNOW WHERE WE ARE? – YEAH, I KNOW I'M FAMILIAR WITH SHOPPING HERE

– WHAT ELSE CAN YOU DO HERE AT CROSSROADS? – YOU COULD SELL YOUR STUFF IF YOU CHOOSE TO – OKAY, YOU GOT FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITIES WE'VE DISCUSSED – MM-HMM – SO, LET'S PROCEED AND FIND OUT HOW MUCH YOU COULD GET FOR ALL THIS AMY, WHY DON'T YOU START GOING THROUGH IT AND START

– SURE – GIVING US A NUMBER? – YOU HAVE SOME REALLY GREAT STUFF HERE, SO I'LL KEEP GOING – I'M JUST SENSING THIS KIND OF ANXIETY RIGHT NOW

– YES, DEFINITELY – YES, YEAH, PUSHING THROUGH THIS ANXIETY – OH – OKAY, WHAT WAS GOING ON? WHAT HAPPENED? – I DON'T WANNA GET– I'M NOT GONNA SELL THOSE – THESE ONES ARE A NO? – NO

– BUT FOR NOW, I'M GONNA HAVE HER KEEP BRINGING THEM BEFORE WE SAY NO TO THINGS, SO WE CAN GET A NUMBER – I'M SORRY, BUT IT'S JUST NOT GONNA HAPPEN

NO WAY, NOT THESE I DIDN'T EVEN WEAR THIS YET OH, NO! LOOKING AT THE PILE OF CLOTHES THAT I HAVE, DEVIL AND ANGEL ON MY SHOULDER ONE IS TELLING ME, "GET THE CLOTHES AND RUN" AND THEN ANOTHER PART OF ME IS SAYING, "LET GO

" – HOW ARE YOU FEELING RIGHT NOW? – MY MIND IS KIND OF RACING IT'S JUST A LOT TO TAKE IN AT ONCE – IT IS A LOT TO TAKE IN THIS IS HARD, OKAY? – YEAH – SO WHERE ARE WE AT? – $401

98 – I MEAN, HEARING THE NUMBER, IT'S LIKE GREAT, I WOULD LOVE TO WALK AWAY WITH THAT EXTRA CASH, BUT I MEAN– – WHAT COULD YOU DO WITH THAT CASH? – $401 IS RENT, RIGHT? – WHAT DO YOU THINK? – I THINK IT'D BE POINTLESS FOR ME TO GET RID OF THIS AND JUST TO BUY ANOTHER PAIR OF JEAN SHORTS – BUT AGAIN, THESE ARE THE RATIONALIZATIONS THAT LEAD YOU TO KEEP MORE AND MORE STUFF ON THIS DAY– ON THIS POWERFUL DAY– YOU CAN LET IT GO, MAKE THE BIG SACRIFICES TO SAY GOOD-BYE IT'S SYMBOLIC, BUT IT'S GONNA TAKE YOU THERE

HOW DO YOU CHOOSE TO PROCEED HERE? – YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T AGREE TO THIS – HI – GOOD TO SEE YOU – YOU TOO – [chuckles] AFTER TWO EXERCISES, ANNA'S MAKING GOOD PROGRESS

SHE'S LEARNED THAT SELF-WORTH DOESN'T HAVE TO COME FROM SHOPPING AND SHE'S LEARNED THAT IT'S OKAY TO BRING THINGS BACK IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD THEM FOR THIS THIRD EXERCISE, I'M GOING TO SEE IF ANNA CAN CONTROL HER IMPULSES AND TO MAKE IT MORE CHALLENGING, I'M GOING TO ASK HER TO DO IT ON HER OWN I THINK NOW IT'S YOUR TURN TO GO INTO STORES BY YOURSELF

– OH, MY GOSH – AND THIS TIME I WANT YOU TO GO IN WITHOUT ME WHAT YOU DO IN THERE, OF COURSE, IS UP TO YOU WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT IDEA? – [sighs] I WOULD RATHER NOT GO IN THE STORE – MM-HMM – BECAUSE ONCE I'M IN THE STORE, THAT'S WHEN IT GETS REALLY HARD – OKAY SO, THIS IS A BIG CHALLENGE

– YES – YEAH – ESPECIALLY WITH YOU NOT THERE – I KNOW YOU CAN DO IT – I'LL TRY

– OKAY LET'S HEAD ON OVER THIS WAY, ALL RIGHT? – OKAY [sighs] I REALLY LIKE THIS STORE A LOT TRASH AND VAUDEVILLE IS AN AMAZING STORE I LOVE IT

THEY HAVE EXACTLY MY STYLE – YO, GIRL! [both laughing] – JIMMY WORKS AT TRASH AND VAUDEVILLE HE'S A GREAT GUY HE REMEMBERS ME I DEFINITELY REMEMBER HIM

– THERE'S LOTS OF COOL NEW STUFF – REALLY? – YEAH – OH, MY GOSH – NEW SEASON, NEW STUFF – [laughs] I THINK I HAVE TO LEAVE

I'M GONNA END UP SPENDING TOO MUCH MONEY [laughs] – I'M EXPECTING THAT ANNA WILL LOOK AT CLOTHES TODAY AND SHE WILL BE TEMPTED BUT IF SHE'S SMART, SHE WILL WALK OUT OF THE STORE WITHOUT BUYING ANYTHING – OH, MY GOSH – IF SHE STARTS TO EXPERIENCE THE HIGH OF TRYING ON CLOTHES, FEELING SPECIAL, SHE COULD GIVE IN TO TEMPTATION

– THAT'S YOUR SIZE – YEAH – WE'RE THE SAME SIZE, YOU, ME, AND IGGY POP – [laughing] – YOU KNOW WHAT I WANT YOU TO TRY? – WHAT? – I WANT YOU TO TRY A MOVIE STAR DRESS – SHOW ME

– AND YOU DON'T NEED A PENNY IN YOUR POCKET 'CAUSE EVERY MAN IS GONNA PAVE THE WAY TO HEAVEN FOR YOU AWESOME! THIS IS DEFINITELY YOUR SIZE – IT–IT'S SO – LOOK, YOU'RE GLOWING – BEAUTIFUL IT'S SO PRETTY – YOU LOOK COMPLETELY DIFFERENT – I FEEL AMAZING

– I LOVE HOW YOU ASK THE PRICE OF NOTHING YOU JUST GRAB WITH THESE – I DEFINITELY FEEL LIKE A MOVIE STAR IN THESE I FEEL LIKE A SUPERSTAR

– THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST EXPENSIVE DRESSES IN THE STORE, THOUGH, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW – HOW MUCH? – MM, IT'S CLOSE TO $600 – OH, MY GOSH – WHAT DID YOU DECIDE? – UM – ARE YOU OKAY? – [laughs] NO – YOU CAN TELL ME – I AM KIND OF LIKE SHAKING [laughs] – WHY ARE YOU–UM

– BECAUSE I REALLY WANT THESE THREE THINGS I GET REALLY UPSET BECAUSE I WANT NICE THINGS IN MY LIFE, AND IT'S NOT FAIR THAT, LIKE, I SEE THESE PRETTY THINGS AND I CAN'T HAVE THEM [crying] – OH, MY GOD

WHAT'S UP? WHAT'S NOT FAIR? IT'S JUST A DRESS IT'S NOT WORLD PEACE THEN DON'T GET IT – YOU OWE ME A HOT DRESS WHEN I CAN AFFORD ONE – AND I GUARANTEE I'LL DO IT

– YOU PROMISE? – I PROMISE I'M PROUD OF YOU NOW AND THAT'S ROCK AND ROLL – THANK YOU – I'M PROUD OF YOU

– NOT BUYING THE CLOTHES FEELS LIKE ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS THAT I'VE EVER HAD TO DO YOU KNOW, I WANT TO LOOK AND FEEL BEAUTIFUL AND UGH

– $401 IN CASH RIGHT NOW IF JENNAE DOES THIS – CORRECT – YOU'RE SELLING IT AND IT'S MAKING OTHER THINGS POSSIBLE – OKAY – I'M REALLY, REALLY PROUD OF YOU

THE KINDS OF CHOICES YOU'RE MAKING HERE MEANS YOU'RE COMMITTED TO YOUR FAMILY – YEAH – WITH ONE BRAVE DECISION

– ALL RIGHT – HERE YOU GO – WE OWE YOU 40198 – OKAY

LET ME DOUBLE COUNT MY MONEY – [laughs] – GOOD GIRL – ALL THESE CLOTHES I'M LETTING GO IS JUST– I'M JUST PUTTING IT BEHIND ME AND I'M ALREADY THINKING AHEAD, THINKING FOR THE FUTURE – YOU DID IT YOU WON'T BE DROWNED UNDER STUFF ANYMORE, SO– – AND IT FEELS A LOT BETTER TOO

– EARLIER, I SENT ANNA INTO ONE OF HER FAVORITE STORES SO SHE COULD LEARN TO RESIST THE TEMPTATION TO SHOP BEFORE WE PART WAYS, I WANNA HAVE ONE FINAL CONVERSATION WITH HER TO FIND OUT HOW SHE DID AND TO ASK HER THE ULTIMATE QUESTION SO, YOU'VE BEEN TO A STORE NOW WITHOUT ME THERE, YOU GO IN THERE AND WHAT ARE YOU THINKING AND FEELING? – I WAS JUST REALIZING THAT I REALLY WANT THESE PRETTY THINGS AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S NOT FAIR THAT I CAN'T HAVE THEM AND AT THE SAME TIME I CAN'T AFFORD THEM – YOU HAVE THIS EVICTION THAT'S KIND OF LOOMING OVER YOU

– YEAH – AND EVENTUALLY, YOU'RE GONNA FIND YOURSELF IN COURT, OUT ON THE STREET IN BIG TROUBLE AT LEAST UNTIL YOU CAN GET YOUR LEGAL STUFF TAKEN CARE OF, WILL YOU STOP THE SHOPPING? – I NEED TO – YOU DO NEED TO – YEAH, AND I GUESS I CAN

I CAN – CAN – [chuckles] – NEED TO – I HAVE TO – HAVE TO

– I WILL – YOU WILL I KNOW YOU WILL GOOD FOR YOU I KNOW I'M NOT GOING TO SOLVE ALL OF ANNA'S PROBLEMS IN A FEW SHORT DAYS, BUT I THINK SHE'S ON THE RIGHT TRACK

I HOPE SHE'LL MAKE SMART FINANCIAL DECISIONS AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, I HOPE SHE'LL RECOGNIZE THAT FEELING GOOD ABOUT YOURSELF CAN BRING HER A LOT MORE SATISFACTION THAN ANY ARTICLE OF CLOTHING EVER COULD – THANK YOU – YOU'RE WELCOME WAY TO GO – THANK YOU SO MUCH

– I'M PROUD OF YOU – JENNAE HAS COME A LONG WAY IN THE SHORT TIME THAT WE'VE WORKED TOGETHER SHE'S LEARNED TO THINK ABOUT HER FINANCIAL PRIORITIES BEFORE SHE SHOPS, AND SHE SOLD OVER HALF OF HER THINGS IN THIS FINAL CONVERSATION, I WANT TO PUSH JENNAE TO START PRIORITIZING HER PLANS FOR THE FUTURE IF YOU COULD CREATE A LIFE FOR YOURSELF, DOING WHAT IT IS YOU WANT, WHAT WOULD THAT BE? – FASHION DESIGN AND STYLING

– MM-HMM – AND I WOULD MAKE MY OWN CLOTHES – SO WHY AREN'T YOU? – WELL, MY FAMILY TELLS ME THAT THE CHANCES OF ME BEING SUCCESSFUL IN IT IS LIKE–BASICALLY THAT'S LIKE A NEEDLE IN A HAYSTACK

– YOU ARE SMUSHING DOWN A DREAM TO PLEASE THEM THAT'S NUMBING THE REAL YOU – YES – THE PERSON WHO WANTS TO WORK IN FASHION, YOU'RE LIKE, "I'VE GOT TO SHUT HER UP SO I'M JUST GONNA SMUSH HER UNDER TUTUS

" – WOW – LET HER OUT – LET HER OUT OH, MY GOD WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME NOW IS MY FAMILY, MY AMBITIONS, AND THINGS THAT I WANNA DO WITH MY LIFE AS A CAREER

I'M GONNA BE MAKING SOME BIG CHANGES THAT'S FOR SURE – GOOD – FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT COMPULSIVE SHOPPING, VISIT OXYGENCOM

– YEAH!

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